“Four Blood Moons” and a false prophet

Warning: Do not heed this "prophet"

Warning: Do not heed this “prophet” John Hagee

[Additional Note, Aug 6 2014. Of course the Blood Moon teachers are announcing, Aha! I told you that Israel  and Gaza would go to war! Well, of course they predicted no such thing, but when someone says that "something will happen"; and then something, anything happens; one can then claim, See, I told you something would happen!" This is technically called Vaticinium ex eventu, that is, pretending to have given a prior prediction but only after the events take place.]

I love the Lord’s coming and have written much on the topic. Perhaps this is why false predictions get under my skin so badly. Click HERE. Maybe it’s because these authors will sell millions more books than I do – you’ll never go broke predicting the apocalypse.

Just flipped through the Four Blood Moons material by John Hagee, who got all his material from a man named Mark Biltz. It turns out that the world isn’t going to (was not going to?) end in the late 1990s, as Hagee once predicted. Now it will happen because of eclipses in 2014 and 2015, which supposedly line up with the Jewish feasts Passover/Pesach and Tabernacles/Sukkoth. He has little Bible evidence to back it up, just a few references to “moon” plus lots of prophetic three card monte.

His astronomy also seems to be badly off (click HERE). For example, although an eclipse on Passover night seems wildly improbable to a Gentile, we should remember that lunar eclipses only happen on full moons; and second, that Passover by definition always takes place on a full moon. Sukkoth also by definition coincides with a full moon.

It’s easy to predict a lunar eclipse (HERE’s NASA’s page on it; and see NatGeo), but Hagee is wrong: it’s impossible to predict a “blood” one. Many lunar eclipses are reddish or coppery. I saw a red moon when I was a kid, and it was caused by atmospheric conditions, but it is a factor which is not predictable.

He also takes time to try to convince the reader to support the Israeli Settler Movement. His Christians United for Israel gives the impression that the principal criterion to show who really loves God’s ancient people is to back unlimited settlement of the West Bank; in fact, I and many believers support Israel without accepting the policies of the Netanyahu government, the Likud party, or the Settlers. There  are plenty of Israelis – 2/3 of them, in fact – who reject the Settlement policy. Likewise, and contrary to what we hear in the States, it is not true that most Jews want to rebuild the Temple (HERE).

It is stunning that such authors come out with bestselling and lucrative books every year or two. I thought in 2011 we all said we weren’t going to fall for this again, when Harold Camping twice missed the date of the Second Coming?

And no, it’s not different this time.

The book’s subtitle is a useful indicator: “Something is About to Change.” He states that “No one knows the mind of God but the anticipation of these events tells us something will happen.” Really!? Things will change next year? Whatever happens, then, I guess he can claim victory and go home.

We subject ourselves to (justifiable) ridicule every time there is an asteroid or a planetary alignment or an eclipse, when we run around crying that the sky is falling. In 2013, it was the Comet ISON that was supposedly the harbinger of doom from Rev 8:11 (the blog where it had been posted apparently has since removed the announcement!). How much better to live in the faith, wisdom, love and grace that the Spirit wants to grow in us.

And let no-one say, “Well, I’m not predicting a date, I’m just sayin’.” Yes, he is predicting a date, and yes, he ought to repent while there is still time.

Afterward: John Hagee teaches other serious errors concerning the gospel and the Jews’ relationship to it; there are other blogs that are handling that issue. Mark Biltz too is a teacher in the Hebrew Roots Movement, telling gentiles that they need to eat kosher, worship on Saturday and use only their Bible translation.

Related post:

The forgotten sign of the End Times.

Gog of Magog is dead…and I have seen his grave

“Four Blood Moons” and a false prophet, by Gary Shogren, PhD in New Testament Exegesis, Seminario ESEPA, San José, Costa Rica

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  1. I just read through the comments and have one of my own.
    I was curious about Biltz since he was the originator of all this nonsense so I watched a ‘sermon’ by him.
    Before it started he fielded a few questions. One was from a man that asked about the discrepancies with the various calanders and how the Jewish calander is not in fact ancient but was made in the 12th century (I am not sure of the exact details of the question, but you get the jist) there are discrepancies with the calculation method is my point.
    Biltz likened it to someone going around acting like a shariff arresting people. Who would go to jail? The person impersonating a cop. Why? He asked. Because he would not have authority to do these things.
    He went on to say those who are saying the accounting method is off aren’t Jewish! They don’t have the authority to make these claims……….
    Can you believe the audacity to answer the mans honest question with an answer the outdoes the best Fox News commentators!
    Totally sidestepped the question. As if to say if you question Biltz’s reasoning your are not qualified to comment if you aren’t Jewish!
    The more I think about it that’s a racist statement! Not to mention he sidestepped the real issue – the calander May or may not (probably not) be right- but implying that only Jewish people can be right about this.
    Two people one a Jew and the other a non- jew both looking simultaneously at the same data, only the Jewish guy has the ‘AUTHORITAY’ (in my best South Park voice) to say what’s right.
    …..
    What gets me though is that people just eat this all up.
    Know what I think? I think this kind of thing is an indictment on the church. It’s a sign to show who are the faithful and who are the ones with itching ears seeking someone- anyone who will tell them something to satisfy their ‘itch’.
    It’s a sign of the times
    Thanks, bob

  2. So far, I know about John Hagee… Yes that is false…. Anyway, off the subject, Do you believe Sun around earth or Earth around Sun? thanks

    • Oct 8th will have total Lunar E, and It will not over Jerusalem…..

    • I’m going to have to ask you to expand on your question for me, please Mark.

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  4. By the way, I have to ask. Have you looked into the whole comet ISON hype?

    • Sigh. No. I’ll take a look!

  5. Btw, quick question. I read your comments and you said a generation is not 70 years and I’ve heard endless debates. How long is a generation exactly?

    • Hey Krista! Some say 40, some 70, some another number. I think the question is formulated wrong, since a generation is what it is – when grandpa dies, that’s the end of his generation.

      A generation is not like π, which must always be 3.14159.

  6. Hi Gary,

    Also, it is obligatory to point out they forgot to input several key factors

    Historically inaccurate facts: They claimed the moons coincided with Israel coming up as a nation when really it became a nation in 1948 not 1949. I think that’s a bit late to the party

    They also tried to use the Jewish expulsion from Spain which was, again, before the tetrads. The only event that took place during the tetrads was the six day war and I’m sure that was coincidence.

    Lack of scriptural understanding: The whole “blood moon” factor is determined by atmospheric properties. The Bible does indicate the moon will turn red and the sun black, but it us implied this happens only once at the end of the tribulation and not consecutively four times. It also said earthquakes and eruptions would happen. Ergo, it is implied that these disasters are what cause the moon to turn red and the sun to black could be caused by an asteroid of even Wormwood. It us known that volcanic ash could cause enough atmospheric disturbance to produce a red moon.

    • Oh and als

      Location location location: The scripture also implies everyone will see these moons. They forgot to mention Israel might not see them. Some warning that is.

    • Hi Krista! I do appreciate your comments, very good help here, thanks!

      What’s your educational background? Or do you just have a logical mind? :)

      His exegesis, astronomy, math and his grasp of history are pretty sketchy.

      Krakatoa produced strange atmospheric coloration around the world for a year afterward it erupted, but of course this was in 1883, not “at the end of the age.”

      People read into the Bible what they want, especially Bible prophecy. For example, the idea that the forthcoming “cashless society” is somehow predicted in Revelation 13. It is not; a cash economy works equally well with the mark of the beast in 13:16-17. Nor does Revelation speak of microchip implants, credit cards, etc. The mark could just as easily be a tattoo or – and I think it’s a real possibility, given the “invisible” mark in 14:1, that it refers to loyalty to the beast, not a literal mark.

      • I have a year of college, but I’ve been a scholar for who knows how long. I tend to look up facts before buying into the hype.

        In truth, the second coming has been “prophesied” many times. People often thought Revelation was being fulfilled in WW 2. I think it has to do with more of a generalization of how people interpret scripture rather than look at specific or double check their facts

        Just today, I was reading news on the Ukrainian crisis and and people are already fearing a nuclear Armageddon. The Christians on the comments even tried using Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 16:16 without realizing neither have anything to do with the situation.

        It seems to be a trend that everytime a natural disaster happens or a crisis breaks out people adopt a formidable “the end is nigh” attitude.

        However, I was reading an article that said these things are meant to happen in a vicious cycle. Even Jesus said that when these things happen,the end is not yet, but only “birthing pangs”.

        I am glad people are getting into prophecy and such, but the end times hype and the cornucopia of false preachers and paranoia does not help matters.

        • Yeah, I have to agree. You might enjoy my article on Gog and Magog. They have been predicting the Second Coming ever since I became a disciple and Bible reader, a generation ago.

          And yes, I did see a guy saying he could prove it’s the End because of Russia occupying the Crimea. Man, it never ends! I don’t think Russia appears in the Bible.

          • Exactly! I read it by the way. It really sheds some light.

            Indeed, even Jesus’ disciples thought they would see the end in their lifetime. Everyone has to remember God is in control and not to fear things like an impending nuclear Armageddon or economic collapse until God says the end is nigh

            I’ve heard everything from we’re already in the tribulation to WW3 has already happened or this and that is going to cause WW 3 to the fact people believe it already happened in 70 AD , which is a doctrine that has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

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  8. Ah, finally…voice of reason! Refreshing to read your words of sound biblical thinking amid the shouts of the misguided. Thank you!!

  9. You will not know the time, Mark 13:33

  10. Pastor John Hagee did said that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will fight for you in his sermon about the four Blood Moons. Seems like the God Pastor Hagee worshipped is NOT a compassionate, merciful, slow to anger and abounding in love and faithfullness as written in the Bible.

    By the way we, whether Jews or Gentiles are all His creations and He loves us and will not want us to perish as everyone is precious to Him.

    Hence I think it would be more in line with God’s will to preach for all to come to repentence and not so about a God who is going to fight for you.

  11. The missing part on my comment which for some reason was not entered and posted.

    Take note it will happen in Jerusalem and not in Rome as many say it being Babylon. The revelation said no human can kill them and the only one that can kill them is Satan the Devil himself. Then and only then the Antichrist will be known and be revealed to all on planet earth and does the Abomination of Desolation on the Temple Mount which now has the new Temple that was rebuilt.
    This starts the Great Tribulation which will last 3 and a half years, because Satan and his followers (angelic beings) were cast down and banished from Heaven and Satan will be one very angry Angelic being and will want to kill all of Human kind to claim that victory.
    Yeshua also said that it will be so bad humanity has never seen nor ever shall see again and had not the days been shorten NO FLESH would be saved Alive!!!!!
    Now go back to the above paragraph where a date was given regarding Jupiter being birthed September 9, 2017!!!! Do you understand the significance of this at all?? If not I explain. This is when the Antichrist is born!!!!
    Right now we are in the Second Trumpet and the Second Seal. Each of these Trumps and opening of the seals occur every 10 years. The first Trump began 1996, second started 2006, third starts 2026, fourth starts 2036, fifth starts 2046, the sixth starts 2056, and the last seventh starts 2066. In the year of 2066, June is considered the 6th month, and the 6th day of that month, which says the number 666. The 7 bowls of wrath start on the 7th Trump during the Great Tribulation period. The bowls and the 7th trump is timed together, every 180 days.
    The 7 year agreement will be signed around December 18th of 2062 and officially ratified by United Nations on January 6th 2063. The Great Tribulation starts June 6th, 2066, and ends on January 6th 2070. The Lord known as Yeshua will come 45 days later (1,335 days) as it said being the Passover in the year 2070 which happens to be in March on that year.

    Now lets get the age of the Antichrist into this picture. Born 2017 OK. By year of 2066 this individual will be 49 years old!!!!

    Here is another significant fact. The temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 It will be almost 2,000 years since its destruction. After the temple was destroyed, Israel had no rain for 1,879 years (and yes its true) and started having rain again after it became a Nation officially in May of 1949!!!!! Only recently it had SNOW in 2013 in the Holy Land which has never happend the last 1,943 years!!!!!

    Some of this is Gregorian mixed with Jewish calendar, and Yeshua said to follow the Feasts according to the Moon and its lunar cycles for the month as your calendar.

    What happened is today we go by the Gregorian Calendar which was created by the Catholic Church in Rome. The Jews follow a different calendar under the lunar cycles. This alone brings up a lot of confusion. Also many for some reason think the B.C. to A.D. transition jumped from 1 B.C to 1 A.D. Zero is a number, so technically everybody is one year off. It should have went 1 B.C. to Zero then to 1 A.D. for the proper sequence.

    The preachers of today have no clue of what really is going on. I will explain. The revelation is divided into 4 different parts, and Satan is not done until the Great White Throne Judgment. Here is the 4 parts

    • Fine if you want to follow astrology, but I urge us to follow the Bible instead.

  12. Greetings: These Blood Moons and the two eclipses are in fact significant, because Israel and Jerusalem will see all these events. Furthermore it is even more rare for such to be seen in Israel as most blood moons are not seen in or around Israel itself including the eclipses!!!!. When Jerusalem sees these events, its been extremely very accurate, something happens either a year before to a year after it. Most of the time. In fact it has never failed.

    To start with I am a Messianic Gentile, who believes in Yeshua, and I do try to observe Yeshua’s commandments > the Feasts and the Sabbath. Yes I am guilty at times for failure to do so because sometimes my personal life and situations force me to sort of break the law and I must do it like it or not.

    More rare is when 4 of these blood moons happen consecutively.
    Even more rare is when all four of these consecutive blood moons occur on Gods Holy Festivals or Holy Days. (The Bible never calls these feasts “Jewish feasts” They are referred to as “The Feasts of the Lord”) Don’t be deceived into being left out >That is what is going to happen in the 2014/2015 year.

    Meaning: Israel will see full lunar eclipses on Passover 2014, Tabernacles 2014, Passover 2015 and Feast of Tabernacles 2015.

    Here is another interesting factor > Hannuka will also fall right on Thanksgiving which is celebrated in USA and it will be the only time such event will ever take place

    3 rather rare things will also occur in 2016 and 2017 starting November 20,2016 Jupiter known as the “King planet” germinates the astrolological sign and Virgos womb and goes into retrograde motion within Virgo for 41 weeks or the length of normal human gestation period and will exit Virgos womb or will be birthed Sept 9, 2017. Interesting to note that the only planet that has gestation of 41 week will enter in this same time period between 2014
    September 23, 2017 will be another Supermoon. Not a extremely rare event but it has relevance as well. This will be a 50th Jubilee anniversary. Virgo will be clothed.
    Let me point out something to you. Our Yeshua did tell us the days and gave us the signs to know so that we will know it truly > Example 1,290 + 1,290 (total of 2,580 days which makes it 7 years under the Jewish calendar) . The first set starts AFTER Israel signs that Agreement to be able to build that 3rd Temple, which in effect begins that time frame. The TWO WITNESSES will also appear the first 3 and a half years having powers to shut the Heavens. Means no rain to the sinning nation and also has the power to do as they wish against these Nations. These two witness are Enoch and Elijah. These two never saw death and were taken away by Yehovah. They will be killed at the half way mark and be left open on the street for all to see for 3 and a half days and nights where our Yeshua was Crucified.< Humanity’s Great Tribulation, (Satan and the Antichrist is held in Prison),(then the Saints and people who walked righteously and believed in Yeshua will be raised) (Second Coming) then the Messianic Reign of Yeshua for 1,000 years, then again Satan is released and Satan’s temptation (duration is unknown and not revealed) and then the final Great White Throne Judgment.

    Yeshua also said even He does not know the day or the hour of when this takes place but only His Father known as Yehovah. When this takes place EVERYBODY comes out of death, from the ground and the seas of Earth all those written in the Book of Life. After everybody gets to see who the Great Deceiver is and the Antichrist, these two are the first to be thrown to the lake of fire. Then the separation of the sheeps and the goats is done. Those of the Goats are cast away. The sheep will be kept by Yeshua and given eternal life.

    How will Yeshua know which is which. Yeshua will see what was in your heart and of what you have done with your life in an instant faster than the blink of the eye, and also know what thoughts you had during your lifetime. The main key here is your belief in Yeshua, and believing he died for all of us, follow (The Lords Feasts, the 10 commandments, and keeping the Sabbath), how you were with others around you, and asking Him to save you and love His Name plus the other good works He will want to see.

    What about the Neantherdahls as they existed for approximately 500,000 years? They are human beings as well. Do they have a chance?? Did they know of about Yeshua??? We today have conclusive evidence of their existence going back over 30,000 years ago which is when they went extinct. So I am sure they too are written in the Book of Life. What Yeshua will do here on this subject is Unknown. However, I’ve a feeling just a gut feeling they will be involved during the Messiahs 1,000 year reign. Why? because they too deserve to know Yeshua and know who He is and wants from them.

    This makes absolute sense because it is said and written in the Bible, that Satan will be released from Prison to temp again before the Great White Throne Judgment. Satan will have these individuals to tempt and this duration is unknown. At this point Yehovah will call the final decision who is Yeshua’s Father.

    I do not profess to say these are predicitions, I do not profess to say all will happen here. However, it seems rather odd that for some reason the things I mention here is falling in place. Why I do not know.

    Right now we today all know of about the incredible debt a lot of countries have and such cannot be paid off. For simplicity, the dollar or paper money and paper bonds or certificates, Wall Street is going to collapse completely. Its possible these Blood Moons will indicate this impending collapse and the world enters calamity of immense proportions. We also know of the NWO plans of the elite, and their intentions to control the masses (people) and of their plan to institute the chip upon us all. Without that chip you cannot buy or sell. We also know of Islam reaching nearly around the entire globe. This is a very sick and dangerous cult. They will also change the law regarding worship. Islam is Satan’s religion believe it or not.

    Did I say something here that has already been prophesied by the prophets and what was written in the Bible??? YES.^^^

    A generation is 70 years. Most people live between 70 to 85 and some do reach 100 or more. Not many though. I am now almost 61 years old. I am not the last generation but the generation before the last. The last Generation began in 1996, of which are those born at that time. These children are the ones who are going to see the horror of horrors yet to come as I have said above.

    So do not panic, just relax and read the Bible and do your best to follow Yeshua’s Feasts of the Lord, and keep his Sabbath and believe in your heart Yeshua did die and is risen to save us all. Just be on watch and pray and use your heads OK.

    Peace.

    Dave P.

    • Again, if you want to follow astrology, fine, but this is not cool for a follower of God. I would urge everyone to study the Bible not magic. Numerology is the same thing, and what you are saying falls under the condemnation of the apostle in 1 Tim 1:4 – people should not “devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.”

      The Bible says zero about Islam. Since Islam is on the rise, people are pegging it to the last days, just like they did in the Middle Ages, but there is no proof that this is so.

      The Bible says zero about Wall Street; I have heard about a collapse of Wall Street just about every year for decades – so next year, write in and we’ll see if Wall Street is still there.

      While we can predict with accuracy lunar eclipses to the minute, ask any scientist and they will tell you it’s impossible to predict a so-called blood moon, since the reddish color of the moon is determined by atmospheric conditions at the exact moment. I saw one as a child: the eclipse was predicted by scientists but not the copper color, which was the result of the atmospheric dust between me and the moon. So the prediction of four blood moons is nonsense, plus Hagee doesn’t even get the dates of the eclipses right. Hagee would have failed a high school science exam on the subject.

      A generation is not 70 years.

      Neither Chanukah nor US Thanksgiving are Biblically set feasts, so I’m not sure why their overlapping (in 2013) is any sort of sign of the End Times.

      You say: “We also know of the NWO plans of the elite, and their intentions to control the masses (people) and of their plan to institute the chip upon us all. Without that chip you cannot buy or sell. We also know of Islam reaching nearly around the entire globe.” No, there are conspiracy theories about the NWO and chips, but no proof. Take a look at my blog on Obamacare and chips. Show me one individual who has a chip, and please don’t use the argument, “Well, it could happen!” Anything could happen, but Bible students need to speak the truth, accurately, and not follow rabbit trails about giant computers, Bilderbergs, NWO, chips, etc.

      You say: “I do not profess to say these are predictions, I do not profess to say all will happen here. However, it seems rather odd that for some reason the things I mention here is falling in place. Why I do not know.”

      If these are not predictions and cannot be proved by the Bible or by astronomy, then why are you sharing them as fact? And please don’t say, as Hagee does, “Well, I’m not a prophet, I’m just saying that something will happen.” Well of course, something will happen, it always does – but a prophet such as Isaiah or John does not say “Something will happen” but “This is what will happen.” With all respect, either make a prediction or no, and then next year write in and we’ll see what took place, and one of us can apologize.

      • Hi Gary. I agree with you 100%. Respectfully, Jim Elsea.

    • Oh, and NO, Israel will NOT see the lunar eclipse on Passover 2014. It will be visible only in Australia and the Americas.

  13. Ty Mr. Shorten for your insight. I’ve read things and seen things on YouTube until I’m about to cry. I’m a CHRISTian and yes I believe the LORD is coming back. Your blog makes sense.i just don’t understand what hagee is up too. I use to listen to him preach but scared to now. Anyways do you think anything will happen with these moons?

    • Hi Chad, in fact I am “Shogren” not “Shorten”. I imagine your Spell-Check made that change!

      I don’t think anything will happen as a fulfillment of Hagee’s predictions. He always leaves himself an escape, but not predicting the Second Coming but saying “something will happen!” Well, something is always happen. If you pick any random date and then look in the newspaper, you could with a little imagination find some momentous fulfillment of Bible prophecy, but it would be a trick. It is about as supernatural as a fortune cookie.

      Looking forward with you to the Blessed Hope! Gary

  14. Thank you for this blog. I couldn’t agree more. Anyone following Hagee’s teaching really needs to be careful. He can say he’s not setting a date until he’s blue in the face but the second he tied in the blood moon dates with the return of Christ he contradicts himself. What gets me is people who say we can’t know the day or hour but we can know the year. No where does Scripture encourage us to try and predict the end. God is not bound to our calendar or our concept of time. A buddy of mine said it best. ‘You have a better chance of winning the Powerball lottery 10000 times in a row than you have predicting the return of Christ’. God Bless you for speaking out against this teaching!

    • Hi Jarrod, blessings!

      “Now, I’m not setting a date” is one of the world’s great lies, along with “the check is in the mail.”

      People imagine they are okay so long as they don’t give a day a month, but people who predict a year, decade, or even century are violating Christ’s warning.

      • Hi Gary. Your right. We should not even predict the century. I”m guilty of predicting the century myself. I have stopped doing it.

    • Well said Jarrod. I love your buddy’s statement.! I’m going to use it myself when I talk to people.

  15. Thank you for sharing, Mr. Shogren. By the way, my father sent this book to me as a Christmas gift. He really gets into that TBN/Daystar televangelist sensationalism. Oh well! I’ll read it, for a few laughs, if nothing else.

    • Hi Joshua, thanks for writing in! There is no end to strange tales in the world of Bible prophecy.

      • No doubt! Discernment is lacking, these days.

  16. Gary,
    Many thanks for your in depth reply, much appreciated, Very helpful. I had mistakenly assumed that this Jewish dating system of which we are now in the year 5774 PRECEDED the Apostolic age; after all the Jews have been around for a long time? Many Christians often quote Josephus and other writings; I had mistakenly thought there may have been something hidden in the Old Testament that had maybe only been revealed to the Jewish sages of old.
    No you were not being disingenuous; sorry, forgive me. I am not stupid, just uneducated, and sometimes use inappropriate words.

    It is my belief that by adding the biblical ages in the Bible we can determine the approximate age of mankind and therefore the age of the planet, that is if we believe Exodus 20.11; that every thing was done in six LITERAL days?
    But, NO man can tell us EXACTLY how old the earth is. Are works like Ussher’s really helpful at all? When I read Hosea 6.1-3, I believe the prophet is telling us that after 2000 years “He will revive us, and on the third day” (millennial morning) we shall be ressurrected? 2 Peter 3.8, Psalm 90.4. It is from Scriptures like these that make me believe the Lord’s return cannot be afar off? Although we have to yet see a literal rebuilding of Babylon first. Jerusalem was rebuilt in 52 days, maybe Babylon could be similar?
    God bless you.

    • Hi Colin, Well, Hosea does’t say in two or three thousand years, but 2-3 days. So, from the outset, you are taking time markers metaphorically. Really, if you believe that a day can be a thousand years, then why take Gen 1-2 as days and not eons?

      No, no one can say when exactly how old the earth is, neither by radiocarbon dating, etc, nor by the biblical data. Both old-earth creationists and (non-Ussherian) young-earth creationists are giving approximate dates.

      I don’t think the Bible presages a rebuilding of Babylon.

      And if the Lord had biblical proofs that the age would not end for 2000 years, why didn’t he say so, instead of saying the original apostles had to be alert since the time is unknowable?

  17. People still have not learned from the crap we all heard before. The Jupiter Effect, the Bible Code, the Quatrains of Nostradamus, Y2K and the December 21st 2012 end of the world crap. It’s all witchcraft and nothing is going to happen the next few years. We are not anywhere near the second coming so forget it. The second coming is about 225 years in the future. Satan is having a field day with us. This 4 blood moons is just more crap coming from Satan. It’s witchcraft and the bible warns us about this kind of stuff.

    • Dear James, thanks for the the note.

      I do have to say that, setting a date for 225 years in the future is exactly as illegitimate and deceptive as predicting a date for this month. Same wrong method, different outcome.

      • Hi Gary. We are in the Jewish year 5774. When we get near the 6000 year mark then I may, ( I probably would not ), look for the second coming if I was still alive. In the mean time I’ll keep doing God’s work and let him worry about when he’s coming back. Sometimes I think the work of God suffers because Christians concentrate their time and energy on this kind of stuff.
        You do a wonderful work for God by de-bunking all this blood moons crap and all the other works you do to set the records straight
        and keep the flock on the right course. Job well done. Your in my prays always, Jim.

        • Why is the Jewish year the key? And who set that clock running? Some rabbis, not God. Setting the date by that means is no more legit than those who predicted that 6000 years would elapse around the year 2000, it seems to me.

          • Gary,
            I have often wondered (I have only put minimal research into it) why the “Jewish year/clock” is at considerable variance with Ussher’s chronology and the generally accepted (YEC Christian) norm that the world is 6,000 years old (being a YEC! And yes, I am NOT KJV only). This would then lead to a 1000 year millennial Sabbatical reign? The seven day week is typological of this? Outside of God’s Word there is NO basis for a seven day week, or is there?
            Many seem to put much emphasis (and to some extent, I do as well) on Jewish teaching; as was it not to the Jews that the “oracles of God were committed”, Romans 3.2?
            When you say “some rabbis, not God” are you not being just a little disingenuous?
            Maybe you can shed some greater light on this for me?
            Every blessing.

          • Hi Colin, right now (Dec 2013) we are in the Jewish year 5774, which they calculate from about a year before the creation of the world. Wikipedia says that the Jewish reckoning of today was calculated very late, in the 12th century AD. It is not ancient nor found in the Bible. They added up the ages of people in the Bible, using a method similar to Ussher’s.

            As I have mentioned in another place, I know of no compelling evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that the world was created in 4004 BC (Ussher) or 5774 years ago.

            The Bible does not say that the millennium is the “seventh thousand” of creation. I believe the first person known to teach this was the author of the Epistle of Barnabas 15 (from the mid-2nd century; it was NOT written by the Bible’s Barnabas):

            ‘And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.’ Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, ‘He finished in six days.’ This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, ‘Behold, today will be as a thousand years.’ Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. ‘And He rested on the seventh day.’ This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

            A clever calculation, but one that does not find support in the Bible, unless one combines three texts (Gen 2-3, 2 Peter 3, Rev 20) that the Bible itself does not indicate should be combined as by a secret code.

            The seven-day week was not practiced in the Roman Empire, but came to be used in the centuries following. This meant that there were no “weekends” in Jesus’ day, and “Sunday” was not a day that the Romans recognized. Hence, people had to work on “Sundays” and attend church early in the morning and then later at sundown.

            “Disingenous” is a bit strong, no? If you have information that shows that God gave a rabbi an oracle in the 12th century AD that allowed him to set the date of creation, please share it.

          • Hi Gary. I can not answer your questions because I don’t have a deep or complete understanding of the Bible. I’m going on things I have been told by many different people over a time period of many many years. So, I can not back up anything I say with Bible proof.

          • Okay, and thanks for your candor!

            No one has a complete understanding of the Bible, we´re all pilgrims.

  18. One thing to comment on, there is wisdom in eating kosher. Science shows that pig meat is not the healthiest of the meats still even after cured. The second thing is that Sabbath sensitivity is important in order for a congregation to be all things to all people. Thirdly, understanding the Jewishness of the Gospel and even the letters clears up a lot of misconceptions. So do you like when you have to carry a debt beyond seven years ? This would not be the case of the Torah. His yoke it light. I am leary of this prophecy though and I like your arguments about the moons may not being red. Hagee holds over 4000 acres of land in Texas not sure why if he anticipates the LORD’s return.

    • Hi Gary, thanks for writing.

      As far as kosher food goes, shrimp or a pork chop are a whole lot healthier than most of the food we eat today.

      As a Gentile Christian, not only do I not have an obligation to follow Torah, it’s also true that if I do try to, I will probably wander away from the Spirit’s transforming power in me in order to follow my own efforts. Of course, Sabbath sensitivity is important when I am dealing with true Jewish Christians, but there is no obligation for me to follow it – the Gentiles of the New Testament had to work on Saturdays and Sundays.

      How can I pick up items from the buffet of Torah, when God says that it’s either be circumcised and follow all 613 commands, or remain uncircumcised and focus on walking in the Spirit?

      I own my own copy of the Mishnah, Talmud, the Midrashim, as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls and other Second Temple literature and regular consult them. I teach the “Jewish Backgrounds of the New Testament” course, and yes, that perspective does help clear up some issues, but not all. My impression is that some teachers – and I’m not including you, of course – pick and choose some Jewish material to back up their doctrines, but ignore the vast majority of the rabbinic and apocalyptic traditions.

      Many blessings!

  19. Ah, the Hebrew Roots Movement… I heard about it a couple of years ago. I heard someone listening to a video explaining why the book of James should be called “Jacob”. The argument was so flawed. First, “Jacob” (with an ‘a’ as in ‘ate’) is clearly an Anglicised form, and not “original” Hebrew. Second, they claimed it was new revelation that “James” wasn’t in the original bible. You don’t have to be an expert scholar to notice what the book has been called in other languages, especially other Germanic languages. And third (and I’ve heard this myth from other people since), they asserted that the word “James” was invented in the KJV to please the King. I was intrigued by this so I decided to see what the book was called in the much earlier Tyndale Bible, only to find it was called “Iames”.

    • I see now, perhaps it’s proof of conspiracy that King James I expunged Jakov from all the existing Tyndale Bibles!

      Listen, I have an Anglicized German name and Swedish last name, both of which are changed in English. Then, I work in a Spanish language culture. This means that when someone addresses me, they use a pronunciation that would be unrecognizable in Swedish, German or English. And you know what? It doesn’t matter! Nor am I offended that they use inauthentic versions of my names!

      Yes, this idea that “we scholars have now discovered a new thing” is intellectual dishonesty, but a method often used by unethical teachers.

  20. Gary,
    This “Blood Moon” teaching has certainly taken off in pre trib circles.
    I believe it was originated by a Mark Biltz. You well know people love listening to false prophets as the Scriptures teach in the OT and NT, Jeremiah 5.31 & 2 Timothy 4.3? I understand Hagee believes in some kind of a “dual covenant” theology, which is certainly opposed to Acts 4.12?
    The site that you linked with on this piece, would you agree to their amendments to the WCF? Certainly I can see why they say they have “an alternate view of prophecy”! They even believe that Isaiah 13 is fulfilled! To quote them; “The “the Day of the Lord” passages in the Old Testament are all fulfilled”! You should read how they allegorise Isaiah 13.10!
    It took me a long time to get into the habit of calling the “full moon” a new moon, it makes me think of those old werewolf movies!

    • Hi Colin, you’re right about Hagee’s soteriology, which is by far more corrosive than his eschatology.

      A New Moon is the opposite of the full moon.

      The original website I mentioned only for its astronomical data, not for anything else. I have now changed it to a booklet on Amazon by my friend Bob Newman.


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